Composite, ergo current SSG Goku as of 125,then Gohan might lose. But Buu Saga Gohan is superior to SSJ2 Goku and match SSB goku using his full power for a short time. @erkan12: Yes, I have, and what gives you the impression that Gohan has gotten any stronger since literally the 4 hours and 30 minutes that passed between him begging his dad to take him seriously in their sparring match right before the ToP... to the beginning of the ToP? @watcher5000: I guess. I stick to the facts. In addition, most of the feats people try to contribute to showing SSJG/B's power usually only happens when Beerus is involved... which brings me to the conclusion those feats don't really belong to Goku/Vegeta(as we don't see those kind of feats such as their first fight against Beerus anywhere else), but rather Beerus himself. Well, Ultimate Gohan is … @jashro44: I mean in their fight Goku was doing just fine in SSJ2, and he beat Gohan's ass when he goes SSB. Yea, lets just ignore the fact that Piccolo blew a whole through the U6 Namekians' stomachs with his Special Beam Cannon at the same time while Saonel was literally walking through and about to attack Ultimate Gohan out of his freaking Kamehameha.... Let's also completely ignore the fact that the Special Beam Cannon buffer tactic was exactly what Gohan and Piccolo trained for and exactly why you would see it performed on the Namekians, which you see in the Goku / Tien vs Gohan / Piccolo episode we're literally talking about right now ffs lol... Idk why you're even pretending like the U6 Namekians are even god tier. @omriamar: Again: Gohan was begging Goku to use his full power. Goku was able to stalemate an all out True Golden Frieza perfectly with Whis stating them to be equals without Goku using Kaioken whereas Ultimate Gohan still lost to a suppressed Golden Frieza who despite holding back claims he would have killed Gohan had he not caught on. the difference between Gohan and Frieza is that Gohan had to beg for Goku to even turn blue and take him seriously but against Frieza, Goku went SSB right off the bat. That just means frieza would win which he would. So with all that said how does Mystic Gohan stack with SSB Goku in DBS? And you're absolutely wrong about the Dyspo match up. @stricnyn3: You've problems with understanding what was really going on with Gohan and Goku. This. Seems like SSJ3 should have been fine to handle it. Piccolo and Gohan have had especially big jumps as Piccolo went from being unable to overpower Frost to beating SSJ2 Gohan and Gohan went from getting killed by Frieza's 1st Form post 1 month training to keeping up with SSB Goku. Gohan obviously, he decently fought a SSGB Goku plus Kaioken, wth is wrong with some viners in this topic lol. If anything just saying "Gohan fought Goku" rather than something as specific as "Gohan showed power that rivals Goku's!". lol, if he was holding back so much, why'd he feel the need to Kaioken?1. It's like you don't even watch this show. @sirfizzwhizz: damn, Fizz at it again lowballing any series that isn't Ghostrider, Godzilla or Seven Deadly Sins. Given SSB Goku equals True Golden Frieza. 18 got a lot of eliminations and lasted a long time, 7. Which prompts goku to use kk. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. There's a huge difference between SSJG and Blue, as shown in the Jiren vs Goku fight. Also, it should be evident that Android 17 is quite clearly not on Toppo's or any god's level. You can keep playing dumb until you're face turns blue, but at the end of the day, I already laid out the consistent facts and they prove that Goku was always the one to sandbag during a match to either test himself, give false hope, take easy and / or steadily train his opponents. I can totally agree with that. Because random! When are you going to realize that this episode was in reference to the Cell Saga Goku vs Gohan HBTC episode where Gohan begged his dad to take him seriously in order for him to reach SS1, like I've mentioned before... or are you just being willfully ignorant since I have to keep repeating myself to you? 9 months ago. Lol. Goku sparring is a inconsistent jobber. That was 17, all freiza did was cause him to lose the beam struggle. Based on what happend we can say that Mystic Gohan and SSJ2 Goku were "roughly" equals. Gohan helps both guys. @sirfizzwhizz: I already said it was inconsistent twice in this thread... @jashro44: Nothing is wrong with Gohan being that strong, but Super has been too inconsistent for me. How are we going to count the spar with Goku when we don't know how serious Goku was? They stated outright Gohan had not only gained back his power, but surpassed it immensely. U6 Namekians being above him, and Gohan being above them just proves Gohan is over Z ssj3 tier which his mystic form always was. Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rosé Goku Black. If my first sentence was true, every Universe 7 warrior should be able to win against SSG Goku. I did not count it but Gohan told Goku at least 3 times to use full power before Goku showed him SSB. The narrator confirms this. @erkan12: I'm extremely late, but it's quite clear you didn't fully comprehend the episode. SSB Goku vs Universe 6 Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - Duration: 2:04. And stop wasting my time. Frieza is pretty arrogant. Super Saiyan 4 is the ultimate transformation of Dragon Ball GT for Saiyans. Golden Frieza couldn't defeat Dyspo too, is that mean Frieza was also not a SSJB tier?". @Foremostproxy: Yes, it would have, if Goku had been serious. What feats? I honestly feel this wouldn't be an issue if Toei didn't do all that universal shit with Beerus in the DBS version of Beerus vs Goku and in the BOG movie, because now whenever someone sees a character fight Goku they immediately think "no way this character is universal" even though Goku himself isn't universal and something akin to what happened during his fight with Beerus, never occurred again. KaiserWombat Retired Staff. Cause he lost alot of power from not training and he regained his old strength by training with piccilo but he isn't universal at all man, you're just wanting gohan to be strong to a point he can't be. Gohan is stronger than he was in the Buu Saga cause dbs logic, I don't see why this is difficult to understand. Oh and your not remembering the episode correctly. It is INFERIOR to Blue. Close. Tbh the writers just crapped all over Piccolo even having him get stomped by Tagoma and doing pretty poorly in the ToP. He also fought the trio de danger all at once in base. Why would Gohan beg Goku to use his full power? Piccolo himself clearlystated that Gohan was no match for Dyspo and would have lost as soon as Golden Frieza eliminated them both. With that said though, I'm sorry but that's not the case. It's clearly not as powerful as people hype it up to be imo. Remember, it was SSBKK Goku that knocked out Gohan, not just SSB. The fact 18 outlasted with more eliminations, and Roshi having more eliminations is already a bad sign. How are we going to count the spar with Goku when we don't know how serious Goku was? Hit gave Jiren some bother. It was a spar but Goku did go full power. @erkan12: you realize he was probably holding back right? Question. If he was, Goku wouldn't need to use Kaioken SSB to put down Gohan. Piccoloblew 2 holes in the U6 Namekians' stomachs while ultimate Gohan's kamehameha was getting pushed backed AND Saonel literally was walking through his wave and was about to hurt Gohan before Piccolo covered him! Vegeta, randomly got a new form and is still in the ToP, 5. Then he uses SSJB, not even SSJB enough, then he uses SSJB KK. Stop making ridiculous comments. Close. Goku could handle Gohan in SSJ2. This is the last part of their fight when Goku was using SSJ. So i would say Goku SSJ3 back then was maybe 1/5th to 1/2 the power of mystic Gohan. SSB Goku's Kamehameha in the Exhibition Tournament also caused a far bigger impression than Gohan's at the ToP. I think depending on how you want to look at things either Gohan is far above Buuhan or DBS character just aren't as powerful as people think. Golden Frieza vs Android 17 and Ultimate Gohan… This new Mystic Gohan could hold his own against SSB Goku and Golden Frieza. As for the fight I think Gohan wins. Add to that the Kaioken and Goku should be many times stronger than an untrained Gohan who not even a single day ago couldn't use his Mystic-form. @lvenger: Well Goku is still stronger, Gohan is just a "rival" (this would include frieza, Vegeta, and possibly 17). Hit couldn't even beat DYSPO until he figured out a trick to beat his senses. Goku is still a better fighter though so he prolly wins even if he's a bit weaker. Why is this important? But I don't see how anyone could say Goku could win in his SSJ forms when it was confirmed Gohan fought goku with power that rivals his and Gohan wasn't fighting with his full power until Goku went Blue.... @Foremostproxy: He did not need it... did you even read what I wrote? From their fight it seems to me Goku could have taken him just fine in SSJ2 or barring that SSJ3. Take the Kale fight for instance, Goku got owned as a super saiyan Blue, then proceeded to make a mockery of an even stronger Kale and caulifla at the same time in his god form. lol unbelievable. It's clearly not as powerful as people hype it up to be imo. I think the idea of that fight was to show team work and strategy is important. SSG Goku fought controlled berserk Kale and ssj2 Caulifla at the same time and was going to win. Against Gohan, who is roughly on SSB level you say, after he saw his full power he decided to use SSJ2 and gave Gohan a hard time (kicked his ass for the most part). Gohan hasn't done anything in a real dire situation to suggest he's anywhere near the level to fight the way Goku fought Beerus. Jiren wasn't going all out against Hit or Goku. Gohan did train with Piccolo so maybe he got a huge boost some how in that short time. So? Not for any other reason, lol. he claimed it was for the time limit, but we all know it was to not wound vegeta's pride. 0. And since then he has become a lot stronger. Also, if you can, read my recent replies on the matter about the purpose of Gohan vs Goku's episode. Gohan is about to fight Toppo and Dyspo, both of whom are SSB level. You should know how Goku sandbags on literally all of his opponents, including his own son, which Gohan got on him about again... but evidently you don't know much about the DB lore to realize this case to be even arguing. Gohan made it quite clear, 3 times in fact, that he was BEGGINGGoku to use all of his power. Gohan, could of been 4 but went out kind of meh, 6. If Gohan had been strong enough then Goku would have used higher form on his own just like he did against 17. he used KK for the same reason that vegeta went SSB against Cabba. According to DBS, Mystic Gohan from Buu Saga should done better than the version of Gohan Golden Frieza stomp. Ultimate Gohan begged Goku to take him seriously in DBS to test out his own power which was recommended by Piccolo, THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE EPISODE, the same way Teen Gohan begged Goku to take him seriously in DBZ in order for him to finally reach SS1 in order to even hold up as a Z warrior. Ultimate Gohan + SSj4 Goku + … no. And in that one episode with the sniper Piccolo lost like 5 arms, lol. Meh, DBS is somewhat inconsistent, which makes this hard. It didn't seem to me that Goku was going all out in any of his forms. Lol. I agree, but his base still seems Buu tier considering he was able to fight fit Buu in his base. He did not feel the need to use even SSJ3. Plus as you said the fights have been all over the place in this arc so I actually think its more reliable to trust whats stated rather than what is shown. People are so delusional here, it is ridiculous. Gohan in his Ultimate Form powers up further and keeps telling Goku to take the fight seriously and get stronger, Goku eventually goes Blueberry mode, they exchange some punches then he goes into using Kaioken with that form and they exchange a punch. Nah. and in 123 Vermoud outright states that he hasn't seen Jiren like this in along time, meaning he's using the most power he has in the tournament...against SSB Goku, in base Goku states that sirens attack was "the most powerful attack he's ever felt" So low ball Goku became over 20x stronger, more so given Jiren used less power against the spirit bomb and the spirit bomb was objectively above SSB kaiokenx20 Goku, if we low ball it and says its 2x SSB kaiokenx20 Goku, so Goku became as a low estimate 40x stronger by 123. F.x: Supressed Beerus godstomps Ultimate Gohan but is matched by 80% SSJG Goku. Wow. You're just simply never going to realize that Goku was ALWAYS in control of the entire sparring match and never took Gohan seriously until Gohan pleaded multiple times, and let his own son get a few blows after realizing that SS2 beyond god was simply too much. Goku stomps! If gohan wasn't ssg level, goku wouldn't have needed to go kk ssb to end their fight. One second Goku can keep up with skinny buu in base, the next episode Roshi is keeping up with him...Yea he's been doing training in secret but does anyone seriously think Roshi is on par with buu? Dyspo is fighting Freeza. It's literally the same thing Goku did vs SS2 Majin Vegeta during the Buu Saga..... You're just going to blatantly ignore that Gohan, word for word, said "this is my current full power!" If he said he would have killed Gohan had he not caught on, I'd be inclined to believe him considering Frieza's characters. I do believe if they did get into a serious fight currently it wouldn't be a stomp in favor of frieza. Goku used Blue repeatedly up until he fought Jiren and belmod revealed that he was only using Blue’s true power for the first time in that fight. Goku: as of 125 he's become exponentially stronger since 109 &110, in 109 SSB kaiokenx20 Goku is effortlessly blinked away by Jiren, even the spirit bomb is blinked away. SSG is weaker than SSB which Mystic Gohan match fine. And Goku SS4 vs Super Vegito". I thought Gohan asked really nicely for Goku to go SSJB instead of forcing him into it and was realistically only a match for SSJ2 Goku IIRC, SSJG Goku should win this imo. Erkan12 says: "Piccolo never said he was no match for Dyspo, he said he couldn't defeat him. Yet Piccolo somehow beat ssj2 Gohan right before the tournament? I love how you ignore he was clearly being helped by Golden Frieza, you know, an actual god tier opponent, as well as serious Dyspo casually toying with both Golden Frieza and Gohan, who was then about to get stomped by Dyspo if it weren't for Frieza's death beam wall trap... Also, I love how you completely side stepped the Toppo point because you knew full well it puts another huge hole into everything you're saying. @erkan12: When are you going to stop ignoring and pretending like Gohan wasn't begging Goku to use all of his power because Goku wasn't taking him seriously and that Ultimate Gohan was getting completely stomped and coached by SS2 Goku? As Whis stated, SSG is merely faster than Goku SSJ form and consumes less stamina than SSB. Posted by. What would be his purpose to see Goku's full power other than he was also holding back like Goku. We're telling you he is SSJB tier because he didn't grow stronger in 4 hours, he was already that powerful. It appears that in the short time that passed since that fight, Gohan was able to get considerably stronger. A serious Goku should stomp. There's many more evidence where this comes from, too concerning Goku's personality traits and fighting methods. I mean just ssjg goku when he first transformed was around atleast universal. I was reading that it's based off how strong his body is, and if he can train his body to be stronger he can achieve a higher level. @omriamar: Krilin also fought with SSB Goku, so what is your point? For Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Ultimate Gohan vs Base Vegito . All we saw was Gohan slightly staggering SSB which honestly is a farcry from simply going blow to blow with SSB Goku constantly. @corvin123: what about KK is that look like holding back to you?? They were tricking frost. Seriously, do you not watch Dragon Ball? SSG Goku would stomp him horribly. And any time Beerus gets serious in their fights(example being when he fodderized MSSJB Vegeta), it stops being an actual fight. Toppo in his non god of destruction state is potentially above exhibition match SSB Goku. Roshi, did way better than someone of his power should of and got a whole episode dedicated to him that was actually good and a follow up episode that had a lot about him as well and even put up a fight against Frost (who stomped Piccolo before), 8. And to say that Piccolo matched with Pirina and Saonel... Lol. And the Jimeze vs Gohan / Frieza point, too. Without kaioken he would not have fulfilled Gohan's wish. Gohan is a nice guy, he isn't a brute fighter, he wouldn't beat up Goku without asking him to use his full power. This new Mystic Gohan could hold his own against SSB Goku and Golden Frieza. Since than Goku's base form hasn't seemed that strong IMO. 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